Curse

nugzta · Nov 04, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Some people just dont know what scam is. If 2 people agree on set price, thats not scam. Scam if 2 people agree on the price but in the end the person cheat (say using plat-gold trick) thats scam.

I suppose if I bought greens at normal price not knowing double green drop weekend coming (which will greatly affect the price) means I have been scammed. What a stupid thread this is.

Ellador Nae · Nov 04, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Hardly stupid! Now people know the real worth of those items.

Doesn't matter if you call it a scam or not.

And I never understood why people buy Imperial Com., Monast.Credits, Hydra Claws etc. - never cared actually. But whenever I see hoards of "WTB all your..", I most definitely won't sell my stash right off the bat, before I know what the deal is.

Feurin Longcastle · Nov 04, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Even if it's not a scam in the classical sense, it's something that players should be made aware of. I don't see it as any different as those individuals who go to pre-searing offering to buy black dyes for chump change. To claim it's simply good business is ridiculous; the dye trader will always give them far more for it. They're preying on other people's inexperience. It's immoral if nothing else.

Sidra · Nov 04, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

A scam is explicitly manipulating the uninformed. Now you are informed.

Yeesh. You people are discrediting the entire problem just because I called it a "wardrobe malfunction" instead of "Janet's Jackson's boob fell out."

and faggot means a pile of sticks. Definitions change, and in the case of GW, it usually means using some trick to "scam" gold off of people (switching in trade, crazy crap like that). This, I would not call a scam. I'd just call it a difference in interest. People can do what they want w/ their trade commendations. Selling them low is just hurting them, and if they're that far in the game, they should be intelligent enough to cross-reference prices and wares. Blah.

DFrost · Nov 04, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Not that a video game has anything to do with stock markets, just throwing some random thoughts in the air here:

At least here in Finland there is a clause that can render a contract null and void if one side of a trade has information that gives him/her an unfair advantage over the other side. So if I had inside information that company X is going to make huge profits over the next accounting period and I bought said company's stocks dirt cheap from clueless person Y, Y could file a claim against me later and win.

SirErnieMacGloop · Nov 04, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

OK, to make everyone happy here is a suggestion for the title of the thread:
'Warning! Check the prices of gems before you sell your trade contracts.'

Somehow I think using the word 'scam' is more of an eye-opener/attention getter than the above. Either way Zinger gets the point accross simply and elegantly. For those arguing semantics, meh.

Thanks for the GW public service announcement Zinger.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 04, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Dude, so many of you are missing the point. Zinger is doing a good thing here informing that people are trying to cheat people out of their potential gold and sapphires/rubies. Who cares that he calls it a scam? And those people blaming the victim? Not everyone knows everything about the game that there is to know.

Yawgmoth · Nov 04, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

This is not a scam, just as WTB'ing anything for a very low price isn't.

A single Trade Contract isn't worth 1/7 of a ruby to someone that won't get another 6 of them. So if a person doesn't want to get more of them and the single one is just taking his storage space, selling it for 500g is a much better alternative than exchanging 1 for a salvage kit or other crap. those NPCs are real scammers

Anywyay merch buys gems for about 3500 so thats even anywyay.

kimahri · Nov 04, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Zinger, I think I might have seen you warning people in that small town above Kadash Bazaar (don't have the game here and don't remember the name). Ty for the warning anyway.

Bale_Shadowscar · Nov 04, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Ok does it matter if its a scam or not?

The point is now you all know what the value of a Trade Contract is worth, without having to work it out yourself when someone says "Can I buy your trade contracts for 400g each?"

Mr. G · Nov 04, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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I love the people selling "Swamp Flowers" for 100-300g in Kamadan. Oh yeah, because walking right outside the zone from the Astralarium and picking one off the ground in a 2 second trip is a service! /sarcasm

ahhh, When i first got one i found out you can get endless amounts from one flower...spent the day gaving them to pretty ladies (i kid you not) or anyone else who wanted them

Now if i see anyone trying to sell them I simply spam

"Free Swamp flowers, equal to a random vail of dye!"

the conmen soon shut-up

Sarevok Thordin · Nov 04, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

It's another way for me to annoy people (i.e inform people in the same room as the guy trying to get the contracts)

Alias_X · Nov 04, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Not a scam, but thanks for the warning.

Saphrium · Nov 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

This is not a scam, plain and simple, knowledge is power, without the knowledge of market price, you will not get a good deal for your stuff, plain and simple.

Scam has to falsely discredit the opposition, by what zinger said, most pawn shops and antique dealers in the world are scammers.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Nov 05, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Regardless of whether this is a scam or not, it is something that everyone should be aware of. The argument about whether or not it technically is a scam is pointless, and I really don't understand why we're having it.

Zinger314 · Nov 05, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Well, it seems natural selection is taking its course. Many people in Kodash Bazaar are now warning people about the...uh..."trick," and there's often a huge debate whenever anyone tries to buy Trade Contracts cheaply.

Count to Potato · Nov 05, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

scam is manipulating money out of someone else, if they seell for 500g everyone makes a profit

Narutoscryed · Nov 05, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

I belive we may need the dictonary refference to the term scamming as a sticky on this forum.. because alota folks seem to think smart buisness = scam..

I once asked to see a persons item that they had for sell.. it was a req 9 15^50 chaos axe.. i was very interested and asked the price.. he said offer.. i said 50k

he accepted my offer.. and i got the axe for 50k

He later pmed me back saying that i scammed him because he did not know the real value of the item he was selling... but that is his fault not mine.. so i made money off his lack of knowlege.. unfortunatly that is smart buisness not scamming..

had he not been such a duech about it i would have given him the axe back with a refund.. be he threatend to report me.. and called me all sortsa names.. so im enjoying my chaos axe still to this day.

Jesse · Nov 05, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

This is no scam, its a mere sign of how stupid people can be.

-Loki- · Nov 05, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidra

and faggot means a pile of sticks. Definitions change, and in the case of GW, it usually means using some trick to "scam" gold off of people (switching in trade, crazy crap like that).

They are scamming gold off of them by exploiting the fact that those people don't know what the trade contracts are used for. It's still scamming even in your 'Guild Wars definition' of scam - it's tricking people out of gold they could make by selling the gems for more than they are being offered for the contracts. You are really bad at arguing a point.